I recognize this moment is big, and its watershed, but it is not about me. How did they, who in 2020 still dont have a single Black denominational entity head, reject once and for all a theory that helps to frame the real race problems we face? Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. After 11 years at Progressive and watching more than 1,000 people join that church in that time, its fair to say that I carry the DNA of both churches. Hi. I do know it is a debate in the Black community about using certain colorist or racially-charged terms against each other. I think the distinction is that I can serve Salem well by loving her through the preaching ministry and pastoral care, and she will follow. In 2020, Dates, married with two children, was among a number of black Christian church leaders to cut ties with the Southern Baptist Convention over a statement from the denomination's Council of Seminary Presidents denouncing racism and critical race theory. Its one thing to adore someone you dont have any personal relationship with. The specter of racial animus and theological arrogance was giving way to a new era of Christian leadership, I suggested. In his response, current SBC president Greear asked that fellow members of the denomination consider their concerns and suggested that there are things we can learn from worldly philosophies like critical race theory., Last week, prior to West and Datess announcements, Ausberry, who serves as SBC first vice president and head of the denominations National African American Fellowship, responded to the seminary presidents statement by saying that systemic racism exists and there are theories and constructs that help us to see and discover otherwise undetected, systemic racism in institutions and in ourselves., Especially for those of us who have experienced the brunt of systemic racism in our daily lives, our seminary presidents are good men and they had good intent, Ausberry said in an interview with Baptist Press, but the optics of six Anglo brothers meeting to discuss racism and other related issues without having ethnic representation in the room in 2020, at worst it looks like paternalism, at best insensitivity. Every church that lives in the past is already anchoring itself in the graveyard of history. There is a young man in our midst who is an exceptional preacher, Pastor Meeks told congregants Sunday, calling Charlie Dates both called and qualified., He came out of our church, says Meeks, and its time for young people to step up and be given a chance.. Neither am I saying that hes the only significant influence in my life. For the second time in two days, a prominent Black pastor has publicly quit the Southern Baptist Convention over its seminary presidents' campaign against Critical Race Theory. fellowship and personal friendship, could have been met by a holy man of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, or any other world religionor by a secular counselor or self-help advocate. How are you hoping to continue to cultivate that with both congregations? If, however, I fail to get the churches to see that our history serves our present and inspires our future, then Im in trouble. The resistance, especially from some of our elderly membership, was swift and sincere. They are ready to send their young students to the very seminaries that are both vestiges of racial animus and also the places where these harmful attitudes are perpetuated. While I do not know much about Charlie Dates, it has becoming increasingly true that the higher you rise the harder you fall.. When did the theological architects of American slavery develop the moral character to tell the church how it should discuss and discern racism? To donate, becoming Progressives youngest-ever senior pastor, The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Chicago Unity Service Brings Together Christians Across Ethnic Lines, Chicago Pastor James Meeks Bids Tearful Farewell After 38 Years at Salem Baptist, Tennessee Charity Walk to Fund Needed Wells Persists Despite Rainy Conditions, Eden Village Ministry Aims to End Homelessness Through Tiny Home Communities, Gateway Seminary to Fund Short-Term Mission Trips for All Students, Vineyard Pastor Resigns, Wont Cooperate With Probe Into Sons Alleged Misconduct, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. What happend to your, well Jesus called the Pharisees wolves and a whole lot other mean words' defense (like when Trump called people sons of b*tches and a**holes)? Conservatism is, and has always been, the god of the SBC. In a video posted Monday, Meeks called Dates the greatest preacher in our nation., The Bible says one man planteth and another man watereth, and God giveth the increase, he said in the video, with his wife Jamell Meeks, director of Salems womens ministries, at his side. That is a concerning statement. Your daily news briefing from the editors of CT: Southern Baptist Convention Disfellowships Saddleback Church, Christian Conservationists Sue to Protect Ghana Forest, Everything Everywhere All at Once and the Beautiful Mystery of Gods Silence. In just our brief 15 minute interaction, he really ministered to me as he correctly sensed I was going through a season of loss that was challenging my faith. Children are a gift from God. Do you know what I mean by ministering to me? Nationally known pastor Rev. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. I want to be clear though, Im not saying Im the only Timothy he has, in the same way that Paul had others. Perhaps I need to know whats defined as a megachurch? You've read 0 of 5 of todays most popular posts. 99% of these megachurch icons and celebrities were nowhere near as righteous as Smith to start with, and only continue to deteriorate from that starting point, with time and fame. . Photo courtesy of Progressive Baptist Church I respect the importance of Christian denominations, the. Its fair to say that I understand the dynamics of congregational leadership and development in both churches. I am on assignment to lead the church forward in Chicago. Meeks recalls meeting Dates when Dates was in the 5th grade. Feel free to watch our services online! The views expressed in this commentary do not necessarily reflect those of Religion News Service. None of that is contingent upon Biblical Christianity (indeed, you say its not because of a sermon or book, meaning theology I assume). They do not understand themselves to be beneficiaries of a system that marginalizes people of color.". And thats part of the beauty I think of this story. Who will pay for the SBCs abuse reforms over the long term? And while Progressive is a large congregation (around 1000 members), it doesnt come close to Salem (which has about 10,000). Charlie Dates is pastor of the Progressive Baptist Church of Chicago. Dates, 41, is a graduate of Salem's now-closed Salem Christian Academy. Walk-ins are welcome but appointments are preferred. Im not sure I understand your point. The young pastor said he had to convince his members that joining the denomination for the sake of mission partnerships would be a good move. The statement on critical race theory and intersectionality has soiled that good faith.. That was the message Sunday from the Rev. To invite Dr. Marin I would think its a good thing that I can speak from personal experience with the Dates, instead of some sort of I read his book fan club adoration. Its the same approach that created President Donald Trump, that makes sure that no Republican leader will challenge him publicly. CT interviewed him about the history of the two congregations and his call to lead Salem Baptist. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. Charlie E. Dates is the senior pastor of Salem Baptist Church and Progressive Baptist Church, two of the oldest and largest historically Black churches in Chicago, Illinois. This shaped his approach to preaching and his thoughts about the transformative role the Black church plays in bringing about the flourishing of a people.Dr. I like my pastor; I dont love him. What kind of repentance did he show and how has he made amends? Progressive was once, decades ago, the kind of leading force of churches on the South Side. To start, Dates will keep his current post as senior pastor at Progressive Baptist Church, a 15-minute drive from the House of Hope arena where Salem Baptist meets. We were already working with the SBC on a training program at our church, and almost all of the Illinois Baptist State and SBC national leaders I had met seemed aware that their forefathers fell woefully short of any standard of biblical justice. And while we are kind of watching this great falling away, we dont have to merely watch it. Ill be here every Sunday and through the week as I normally am, Dates said. As one Conservative Baptist Network member said, they must constantly repent but can never actually be forgiven., A group of Southern Baptist pastors released a statement Friday voicing their opposition to any movement in the SBC that seeks to distract from racial reconciliation through the gospel and that denies the reality of systemic injustices.. I dont know why; perhaps thats an attitude YOU need to pray about. Its time for Salem to move forward, he told his congregants. This workshop will cover everything from home buying basics to the most important step, funding and loan process. Rev. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. Dates explained he saw rejecting CRT as part of a continuing heritage of dangerous conservatism.. What I will say is that Progressive and Salem demonstrate the spectrum of Black churches in Chicago. He holds a PhD in Historical Theology from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. If I can help these churches recognize Gods hand in their past as a kind of indication of God, of what God wants to do in the future, then I think I can hand it off to the next generation in good fashion. Dates teaches at several universities and seminaries, including Wheaton College, and is popular on the speaking circuit. Their seminaries have hosted outstanding guest faculty and chapel speakers outside of their norm. "We believe now that the time has come for us to step aside, for us to yield to new younger leadership," Meeks said. (RNS) In 2018, something happened at the MLK50 Conference in Memphis, an event co-hosted by the Southern Baptist Conventions policy arm and The Gospel Coalition. Would a right-wing famous pastor like Voddie Baucham or Rob Jeffress be able to get away with using racial slurs??? So Im not in a position to speak on that. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Brian Sign up now ! Also, while there are many people in the comment section who rightfully call him to repent over it, there are plenty of others, including names such as Lecrae and Kyle J Howard, who tweeted their approval of his use of the slur. From your posts (especially the prior one to this), it almost seems like your biggest qualification for a pastor is whether he or she makes you feel good; warm and fuzzy. Legal Clinic The Social Justice Ministry is here to help through our Gospel Justice Center Legal Clinic. Progressive Baptist Church of Chicago Pastor: Dr. Charlie E. Dates Website: www.progressivechicago.org Giving/Donations: https://progressivechicago.org/give IG: If Charlie Dates indeed used a racial slur (just last year), that does call into fitness his ability to do any of the above. I can say Ive been called worse for going to white schools and belonging to white clubs, and Im kinda numb to it at my age. Sign up for our newsletter: I would caution ANYONE who makes ANYONE their everytying including a spouse or child. With teary eyes, I just told them I hope that they accept my recommendation when that time comes. Join us before worship service on Sunday, March 19th directly following service. Your daily news briefing from the editors of CT: After Chaos and Crisis, Beth Moore Still Finds Refuge in the Church, Christian Conservationists Sue to Protect Ghana Forest, I Was the Proverbial, Drug-Fueled Rock and Roller, Everything Everywhere All at Once and the Beautiful Mystery of Gods Silence. Photo courtesy of Progressive Baptist Church. Pastor Charlie Dates is the Senior Pastor of The Progressive Baptist Church in Chicago, Illinois. Not able to make? . Adoring sounds like its crossed the line into idolatrysomething a lot of these guys at bare minimum do nothing to discourage, and a few outright seek. How will your role there look different? Show Progressive Baptist Church Podcast, Ep Great Expectations | Joshua 14:6-15 | Pastor Bryan Carter - Jul 26, 2022 This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. Thats their choice. Im not in the weeds at Progressive. 3658 SOUTH WENTWORTH AVENUE, CHICAGO, IL, 60609, 773-268-6048 | INFO@PROGRESSIVECHICAGO.ORG. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. The mega church concept is already troublesome. The other thing is, in terms of preaching, I plan on preaching two services on Sunday morning: one at Progressive and one at Salem. No matter what age, PBC Kids offers fun, age-appropriate programming that help your children connect with God. And Progressive only has one location. Saddleback Church doubles down on support for female pastors, Mormonisms slow shift away from demonizing working mothers, Faith leaders urge Biden to sign executive order for reparations study by Juneteenth, For many congregations, wiping out medical debt has become a popular calling. Both Meeks and Dates also have a connection to the Moody Bible Institute. For questions or to reach his office, please email booking@progressivechicago.org. Dr. Charlie Dates became the youngest senior pastor at Progressive Baptist Church of Chicago in 2011 at age 30 and in January 2023, he became the senior pastor of the Salem Baptist Church of Chicago. Meeks, a former state senator, founded Salem Baptist 38 years ago. It just isnt where God has me in this season of my life (yet). What is liberalism to the conservative Southern Baptists? I cant speak much about Salem Baptist Church (other than its known in the Black community here in Chicago due to its sheer size), but I do know Progressive. I ADORE Charlie Dates. Meeks serves on the Moody Bible Institute Trustee Board, and Dates has worked as an adjunct professor there. Rev. . Charlie Dates Returns to the Chicago Church that Shaped Him While continuing to lead Progressive Baptist, the 41-year-old pastor was named the successor to James Meeks at Salem Baptist. Rev. Blessed to serve in the city in which he was born, Reverend Dr. Charlie E. Dates is Chicago through and through. Atlanta pastor John Onwuchekwa left the SBC over the summer due to concerns over its approach to racial issues. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. When we make one man or woman our everything, bad things are bound to happen. Salem has not lost its relevance, Salem has not lost its edge, while maintaining a very high view of Scripture and its very Christo-centric approach to ministry. But you seem determined to dismiss or belittle it in some sort of attempt to insult the Dates and me. The average member was around before Charlie (hes been there ~10 years) and knows hes not the only one who can lead them. Not because of a sermon I heard from a distance or book that I read. 53 min; FEB 8, 2023 "Can't Turn . Im not saying that Im perfect, forever, for both churches. and pro football. The church actually changed the face of that community, he says. Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. The pastor of Progressive at the time, his name was Reverend T. Brown, he was such a dynamic leader in the city that he was able to tell [former Chicago mayor] Richard J. Daley, No. And live to tell about it. He announced Sunday hell preach his last sermon to the 10,000-member church on January 8, 2023. Charlie Dates Current Workplace. You see many people who are guilty of holding onto positions too long, he says. Perhaps you are taking on a worldly definition of love? I had to fight all of my flesh not to just walk away. Dr. It is good that you were ministered to personally by your pastor. But there is nothing wrong with loving those who I do have personal relationships with, and have really left an impact on my faith, family, and heart. Charlie E. Dates was presented to the church in February 2011. That somehow God grants the capacity and that God grants the resources and support. Dr. Charlie Dates is widely invited to preach at churches, conferences and universities throughout the United States. What other things do you want to highlight to your current and future congregations and the readers of CT? That was the last straw for Dates, he wrote in a column for Religion News Service. Help keep The Christian Post free for everyone by making a one-time donation today. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. He was elected in March by an overwhelming majority, the largest vote received by any pastor in Progressive's rich history. And I have loved various pastors like family; some have ministered to my family for DECADES, and have baptized, married, counseled, and even eulogized GENERATIONS of my family. Welcome to the weekly podcast of Progressive Baptist Church with Pastor and Author, Dr. Charlie Dates. Dates called him an Uncle Ruckus on twitter, which is a derogatory slur used to describe a black man that embraces the whiteness of society instead of resisting it. The 65-year-old has been a pastor for 42 years and said he feels like hes got 42 more years in me. But Meeks added hes learned from King Davids life when its time to come off the battlefield.. When Albert Mohler, the president of the Southern Baptist Seminary, said the only politically moral option for Christians was the Republican Party, I asked other SBC leaders, good Christian men, to challenge him. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. Meeks and his wife say they don't want to stand in the next generation's way. I think history, much like the end of Romans, is meant to teach us what God can do. I dont come out of thin air to either church; you can trace my lineage. It is the work of that church, but its also Reverend Meeks, the pastor of that church. They are good men who are sending a big message to the SBC, said Marshal Ausberry. Meeks has been activeand sometimes controversialin the community. They are ready to see their young adopt the very vestiges of hate that enslaved us in the name of Gods authoritative word. Hmm. He continued his education with a Master of Divinity and a PhD in Historical Theology from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Deerfield, Illinois. Stephanie Martin, a freelance writer and editor in Denver, has spent her entire 30-year journalism career in Christian publishing.
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