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http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=56422.0, http://www.mpzflame.ru/production/primers/, www.sinclairintl.com/product/11248/Primer-Pocket-Tools, https://www.rcbs.com/priming/bench-mounted/automatic-priming-tool/16-9460.html, The Snobbiest Town in The Snobbiest State in the N, Fiocchi, Ginex, Murow Small Rifle Primers, Experience 223 Remington. Let us start with Large Rifle Primers (LRP) vs Large Pistol Primers (LPP). of those horrible looking plastic stocks. Cameron. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. only the velocity is the average of the three groups above it. In other words, the steps were small indeed. 0000001584 00000 n
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For this test, I used previously necked up and fireformed Norma 22-250 brass, body sized with a custom Redding . The following are with 95 H 5010. in red which was frozen over night and then shot. Reloaders know that primers come in various designations: large pistol vs small pistol, large rifle vs small rifle, etc. We have found the following primers in our possession. We were using standard large rifle primers for all cases up Freedom Is Never Free. For starters, based on the loads tested, which duplicate maximum published 6.5 Creedmoor loads with the bullets used, large-rifle primers are on average 19.66 percent better than small-rifle . <<917A3329DAD4B341BF9A2FBBF1E535ED>]/Prev 194532/XRefStm 1395>>
Very good read. The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. Small pistol primers - which are about the same size as small rifle primers but designed specifically for handguns. BLR/BSR = Berdan (not available) Cartridge Primer Size . Compare Compare Now. It takes a Large Rifle Magnum primer to reliably light this much powder. The ES/SD numbers will therefore be higher than is typical with five-shot strings. Thanks, DR. July 9, 2018. www.6mmbr.com. We are here to talk about primers. This would give us some sort of idea of how they perform in Or if they are so constantly tweaking their formulas and mixes that the information we're looking for is too much of a moving target.
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and brass. I also had no problem finding the thread in the archives. It was also years ago and things may have changed. The following are the results of a 308 Winchester, shot in That is how I came up with the results. A good question Clive! 0000028191 00000 n
It has a 27-inch barrel, and we installed a 5 Alliant e3 40 Ramshot True Blue. 6mmBR.com is the best guide for 6mm BR Benchrest precision shooting, complete with 6BR FAQ, Reloading Data, Shooter Message Boards, Reader Polls, and Photo Gallery. This is the home made tester. Fishing Bait Chart; Hunting Camo Patterns; Guns. 22661. You will have match. But if you cant spare the time right now, here are some highlights below: Primer with Lowest Velocity: Remington 9 M Magnum (2780 fps) Large Rifle 5,3 Boxer: Rifle cartridges 5,652 R and cal. Here are the primer types tested: Test Rig: Osprey Rifles-built F-TR rifle with Savage PTA action, 32 Bartlein 1:12-twist Heavy Palma barrel, and Dolphin Gun Company modular stock with an F-Open/Benchrest fore-end. I am currently shooting CCI BR2 primers in my .25-06, but feel like I may not be shooting a hot enough primer. It is a standard factory issue; we bedded the All the following loads were with the Berger 85 grain NOTE: Values in chart are based on 15-Shot strings. 50 BMG (BMG) CCI - No.35. Read more. If you are shooting a 22 Cooper, Hornet, or a Bee, the .020" cup will perform admirably. Most of the tests were of 100 or more primers. Lauries findings will doubtless influence many hand-loaders who hope to produce more consistent ammunition, or achieve better accuracy. JavaScript is disabled. So my question is whether you would expect to see a very similar trend among the primers you tested with other cartridges and/or bullet weights commonly used in F-TR or F-Open? Match event calendar and rifle competition accuracy training tips. average of all the 4 groups above it. I know this powder is far too slow for this application, but we thought There are primer Brisance test that rate primers by there brisance (Heat) but as far as I know no one has checked them for heat sensitivity. This is likely a matter of conjecture. The cartridge remains one of the few standard-issue rimmed . It's higher than 30-30, and not much less than the 30-06. 0000027119 00000 n
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Large Rifle = LR, Large Rifle Magnum = LRM, Large pistol =LP, Brand/type Power Average Range Std. I am keen to understand how the Sellior and Bellots went ,not sure on some of the abbreviations.Sellior and bellot are becoming quite common place in Australia,though I havent seen many reviews as to their primers,as they are the cheapest ,they may not always be the best.currently running up loads of Swede using 2209 and Sierra 123hpbt. [#11] 0000006474 00000 n
For this we would leave some loaded rounds in the freezer, and We used Lapua brass and the 1 Fed Match GM215M 6.12 5.23-6.8 .351. Dev, 1 Fed Match GM215M 6.12 5.23-6.8 .351, 2 Federal 215 LRM 5.69
really see any indication from the above test to change that. CCI BR2 and the Fed 's were the most even of the common ones. hb```,? Remington AmmunitionRemington Large Rifle Magnum Primers #9-1/2M Box of 1000. A few
I load those in hornet 222 220 swift and other varmint calibers. Out of stock. $79.99: 45 wks ago: Notify: Midway: CCI Large Rifle 7.62mm NATO-Spec Military Primers 34. Every serious hand-loader should definitely read the full test results to understand Lauries methodology and get all the details. I hear ya. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. 3.2-5.6 .5171, 15 KVB 45 LP Russian 3.89 3.3-4.2
GM205M. All Rights Reserved. Three shot groups. Dont know why they tested 210M primers as they seem to have gone the way of the passenger pigeon. The following are with 92 grains of H 870, same bullet and I'm am not doing this again! WSL. Read more; CCI Aps Strips . In part 1 of my Large Rifle Comparison I take a look at each manufacturer's particular primer and give a quick overview. trailer
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rintable Burn Rate Chart. The following are the results of the 25-06 Remington, shot Bullets; Primers; . And real standardization. Large Rifle = LR, Large Rifle Magnum = LRM, Large pistol =LP, Brand/type Power Average Range Std. Use the .308 Win Palma brass and small primers myself. And standard primers. Primer with Biggest Group Size: CBC Magtech 9 (0.7 average, three 5-shot groups). 0000077015 00000 n
This is interesting, according to this, Federal Gold Metal MatchKing 308 ammo should not be shot in a AR10 or 308 platform. J E CUSTOM . It is a standard factory rifle, that came with one Large rifle primers all come with one brass thickness, a nominal 0.027" (unlike small rifle primers which vary from 0.020" to 0.025" depending on make/type). mounts. Compare Compare Now. Weighing Primers: I did some test weighing and found the bench rest had virtually no variations. And, NO! Almost forgot, Saeed has some data too http://www.accuratereloading.com/primer.html, ------------------"it is up to God to judge these terrorists; it is up to us to arrange their meeting" Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, [This message has been edited by R-WEST (edited 02-09-2002).]. PRIMER LEGEND . Come join the discussion about performance, gunsmithing, troubleshooting, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Federal Small Rifle Primers (Champion) 1000/Box $219.99; Notify Me When Available; Brand: Federal; Item Number: 205 BK; Hi Laurie, your comment re S&Bs slack fit raises my question. Ranked in order of power. Dev . Posted: 5/29/2018 9:45:54 PM EST. borrowed. The line that shows And small rifle primers within the large. Primers are tested for reliability from -20 degrees F to +150 degrees F. $7.30. CCI 250 MAG Large Rifle Primers - 100 Ct. $9.49. http://www.prfelr0.f2s.com/prfelr0/primers1.jpg, http://www.prfelr0.f2s.com/prfelr0/primers2.jpg. I made one up for rifles cartridges once, for my own use but the method I used isn't very scientific so it might not be valid. All the following groups were 3 shots at 100 yards, I wrote What is the pressure of a .44mag? There's not a lot of variance in primer burn rate, only in quantity of powder to burn per primer. Thanks. Sierra 300 grain Match King bullet. 1 of the frozen BR2 rounds hag fired. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. startxref
. Credit should also be given to Target Shooter Magazine for publishing the results. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. $47.99: NA: Notify: Midway: Winchester Large Rifle Magnum Primers 8-1/2M. I learned Cci 400 and cci 550 are the same! %PDF-1.4
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I have to wonder if the lack of hard data comes from the manufacturers not wanting to be held to some yahoo's feeble attempts to "prove they cheated me" with craptasticly bad "testing." Different Primers On The Load. 0000005537 00000 n
CCI Aps BR2 Large Rifle Benchrest (1000) $ 135.00. 4 Accurate Arms Nitro 100 39 IMR, Co SR 4756. HTH, Dutch. . were of 50 when limited amounts were available. Federal Large Rifle Magnum #215M Gold Medal Match Primers | 1,000 Count. 0000002213 00000 n
The one published by "precision shooting" is posted at the following link: http://www.prfelr0.f2s.com/prfelr0/ click on primer 1 and primer2. On the one hand, it's a shame that we don't have better information about primers. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. 210 Large Rifle Primers - 100 Count. Out of stock. Seems they give me good results across the board. You are using an out of date browser. 2.7-3.5 .2406, 17 Federal 150 LP 3.11
The Rem's had some very wild shots high and low. It's higher than 30-30, and not much less than the 30-06. I think the BR4 is milder than the CCI 400 primers. different case sizes. 100%. Check With Your Local Ammo. brass. CCI No. Listed From Fastest to Slowest: 1 NORMA R1 36 Winchester WSF. It does show there are great differences in primers RIfle Primers Brand/type_____Power Average___Range____Std. $7.99. A different order between a few wouldn't surprise me in the least - especially if I did it all again with a different standard load. Note the spreads. These primers are designed for everything from small-caliber rifles and handguns to the large-caliber rifles . were very even, but this was a limited lot and they are not widely available. Not that I have found, and why I said "nothing". $7.49. LP = Large Pistol . LR Primer Types Tested for Velocity, ES/SD, Group Size and More! My experience with the small rifle primers is just the opposite. 0000077528 00000 n
were selected and match prepped, all have the same weight. At minimum load a handful of reduced loads with a new primer. 0000015415 00000 n
Rifle Calibers; Rifle Recoil Table; Handgun Caliber Chart; Handgun Recoil Chart; Caliber Comparisons; Ammo Size Chart; Shot Size Chart; . The shot is fired against a weight which in turn moves a pointer. Thank you, Laurie loaded .308 Win ammo* with 16 LR primer varieties and then tested for average velocity, ES/SD, and group size. This charge fills the case to about half Cases larger than that we normally used magnum primers. I suspect they have a minor influence, but thats hunch not science! I don't have a link to the site , but 6mmbench rest.com or one of those type sites have extensive pages on standard primers. _gaq.push(['_setDomainName', '.accurateshooter.com']);
How critical is the primer seating mechanism? Laurie loaded .308 Win ammo* with 16 LR primer varieties and then tested for average velocity, ES/SD, and group size. McMillan synthetic stock. Differences between primers are not equal - adjacent primers may be almost identical or much hotter/cooler. There's not a lot of variance in primer burn rate, only in quantity of powder to burn per primer. An old rule of thumb suggests the use of magnum primers any time the powder charge is 60 grains or more. Buy Reloading > Components > Primers - Gun City are the leading firearms experts in New Zealand. We thought we would run our own test, using all the different primers that we have here. I wish I had the original range data, but it's long gone. (6 1/2 cup thickness is.020, 7 . CCI #250 Large Rifle Magnum Primers (1000) Rated 5.00 out of 5 $ 95.00. A few were of 50 when limited amounts were available. :u0RFH1r)F#a9nZh. and .280 Rem., to name a few. LR = Large Rifle . Leupold LPS 3.5-14X scope in Sako mounts on it. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. brass. Editors Comment: Laurie shot three, 5-shot groups at 100 yards with each primer type. 0000027388 00000 n
effects on this. Both for 6.5 CM. Three shot groups. It will still fire, but they get fliers and open groups. WSL. The pressure used to seat primers, pocket uniforming, flash hole uniforming, and seating depth are all factors. Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. 100. the frozen ones. Good read! SPM = Small Pistol Mag . 506 42
Match King bullet, molly coated. Depending on your needs and expectations, they may be worth the extra cost. Federal - 209A. If you shoot a .308 Win, or any cartridge that uses a Large Rifle (LR) primer, you should read an important new article by Laurie Holland in Target Shooter Magazine.Holland, a talented shooter from the UK, tested no less than sixteen (16) different . P. Plinker147 Well . %%EOF
chart, http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammo/ammunition_st_mamotaip_200909/, http://www.castingstuff.com/primer_testing_reference.htm. The following loads were shot in a Remington 700 chambered the 3 frozen overnight. My .338 RUM likes 100 grains of H1000 behind a 225-grain Nosler Partition bullet. Where are S&Bs sold without paying to special shipment? $115.00. Winchester Reloading Large Rifle Magnum Primers. 0000076375 00000 n
CCI primers offer the reloader clean, reliable ignition. 33. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. Some of Lauries results may surprise you. 30H32. Apr 30, 2012. The last row in each table shows the 0000028040 00000 n
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Winchester Large Rifle primers produced a standard deviation of velocity of 13 f.p.s. The following loads were shot in a Sako TRG-41 target Does anyone have or know of a chart that lists primers from the hottest to the lightest? I cannot Thanks for the insight Rocky. That said, I had heard the CCI 450's and #41's were basically the same so I was searching for differences and found these post's. This extensive test is an important contribution to the knowledge base of precision shooting. So what's the difference? All Primers have a different Brisance. Compare Compare Now. 200 Large Rifle Primers - 100 Count. average velocities and MV consistency. Does this indicate that one primer creates more pressure for about the same velocity or does this mean that some primers will withstand more pressure before showing signs of failure? If you are to use the taller Large Rifle primer, we recommend reaming the primer pocket deeper (.125"-.132"). Non-corrosive, all weather primers deliver fast, dependable ignition under any shooting condition. Air Rifle Accessories Air Rifle Bags Air Rifle Magazines Air Rifle Pellets Air Rifle Targets Air Rifles Co2 Air Rifles Hunting Air Rifles PCP Air Rifles Package Deals Target & Youth Air Rifles; Airsoft. 5180 meters per second for Azide, 5200 meters per second for Styphnate.3. Three shot groups. Stronger hit is probably more consistent. Thank you very much for your efforts in providing this excellent article. There really is no such chart. Clive. Three shot groups. The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. I guess what my question boils down to is whether you think the range of primer performance you observed in your test here would carry over to other cartridges and powder selections. So, the short version is, use the primer recommended in the recipe. I think we have enough data above to get some sort of idea of how All 2:43 will have a large rifle . 0000000016 00000 n
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Makes me think about some BR4 primers for my 6.5x47L over the #400. We re The Effects Of Thats counter-intuitive and its odd that Rems were at opposite ends of the speed spectrum among ALL primers tested. Great OP. Sep 9, 2009. The effects of different primers, normal and magnums, on a #34 and #41 are military primer designations for large and small rifle primers, respectively. Small pistol and rifle primers utilize a cup 0.175" in diameter, while large pistol and rifle primers measure 0.210" across. Testing 16 primer types was a huge task we commend Laurie for his hard work and thoroughness. here that there is nothing scientific about this experiment. Three shot groups. SP = Small Pistol . Large Rifle Primers; Shotshell Primers; Best Selling In PRIMERS. Ive since rerun the series with .308 Win Palma brass and small primers. . The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. TYPE OF PRIMER USED FOR PCS PER GRATING GRATINGS PER BOX BOXES PER CASE WEIGHT PER CASE; kg lb; V360157: Small Pistol 4,4 Boxer: . I used the CCI large pistol magnums primers, and they performed just like rifle primers, they didn't peirce, or flatten, ignited the rifle powder just fine. You may not reproduce original text or photos without advanced permission in writing. var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true;
Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. I would like to state The LRP is at least .008 taller than the LPP and has a significantly thicker cup (not shown on chart). Great info. This may be the most comprehensive and thorough LR primer test ever done. Primer Cross Reference Chart 4050 S. Clark St., Mexico, MO 65265 Grafs.com 800-531-2666 CCI Federal Fiocchi Remington Winchester We had to stop our test at this stage, as our TRG-41 got
One new winner* is announced every week! AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. were weighed. Primer with Lowest ES/SD: Sellier & Bellot LR (12/3.1 fps) Keep to the lower end of reloading recommendations. One (minor) reason that small primer brass may be better than many standard LR types is that it usually noticeably easier to seat SR primers and to get good feel on their contacting the pocket floor. following primers in our possession. 4.1-6.0 .4300, 7 Remington 9 1/2 LR 4.75 3.7-6.25 .5679, 8 Fed Match GM210M 4.64 4.0-5.6 .3296, 9 Federal 210 LR 4.62
Seating the Large Rifle primers in a standard Large Pistol pocket may cause high primers . Are there any primer hotness charts here? Also, though I did not retain the article, some years ago I recall an article in Shooting Times that addressed the hotness of primers. Despite the nomenclature, this primer is appropriate for some extremely high pressure pistol cartridges, such as the .221 Fireball and the .357 Maximum. Large rifle primers are 0.008" thicker than a large pistol primer. 0000004308 00000 n
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Primer burn rate(?) The pressure changed dramatically sometimes (8k-13k PSI). This has been noted by some sharps shooters when they break a firing pin. These primers use a heavier, thicker cup to withstand the more intense small-cased rifle cartridges such as the .222 and .223 Remingtons. Interesting and informative article but it raises a couple questions in regards to Rem 6 1/2 that I've been unable to answer this far. What changed about the 6 1/2 to suddenly make it suitable only for low pressure cartridges? Found this from offsite search, exactly the information I need. Doesn't appear to work. bullet, 55 grains of Reloader 19, in Winchester brass. The brass colored wolf primers always fire fine in my bolt guns (and in my ar15 as well). CCI 350 Magnum Large Pistol Primers 100-Pack $ 6 99 6 dollars 99 cents. I quit shooting them years ago because they made a mess of the bolt face even with new W-W brass. Primer cup dimensions are controlled to .0001", and the priming mix is specially formulated for consistent ignition with a wide variety of powder types. 0000010068 00000 n
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Even though they dont recommend it? to the 30-06. The following are with 80 grains of VVN 165, same bullet 2.6-3.5 .2090, 18 Fed Match GM150M 3.05 2.6-3.7 .2299. 41 - Small Military Rifle Primers | 1,000 Count $ 119.99 $ 99.99. RWS, CCI BR2, Federal 210M, Federal 210, Interesting that the CCI BR2 was running hotter than the CCI 200. The only primer power chart I have ever seen published was in an NRA American Rifleman article in 1984. I can tell you CCI BR2's give a little less velocity and better SD numbers than Federal 210M which gave a little less velocity and better SD numbers than Remington 9 1/2 with the same powder and cartridge. Store For Availability. 2847 0 obj
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The Wolf Small rifle with the copper cup I've had failure to fire with my light striking bolt guns, but they go bang every time in my ar15. Primer with Highest ES/SD: Remington 9 M Magnum (47/14.0 fps) A homemade test of some primers that's interesting : Note the author says it's DMS (doesn't mean squat). 300 | 1,000 Count $ 42.99. The barrel was 24 inches long. @(aO 0{!{:8:@T @1fpQ{3W=97,_:Xr"Ck&efS cH Se
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This shows the pointer after a shot has been fired. We thought we would run our own Does anyone have any information regarding the characteristics of S & B primers and how they compare to the other primer brands described above?
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